Episode 16
· 01:04:17
Welcome to White Coat, Black Sheep, where science gets curious and dogma gets
uncomfortable. I'm Dr. Civelli. Today, we talk physiology,
evidence, and real-world medicine, plus the questions you're not supposed to ask,
but probably should. If you care about health and think there's a better way,
welcome to our show.
Today, we have Dr. Anna Marie. She is known as the
Mindset Doctor,
and she is a leader in mindset transformation, human performance, and
holistic wellness.
She has over two decades of experience in education, health, and wellbeing.
She helps individuals and organizations bridge the gap between external success
and internal fulfillment. Blending neuroscience and
neuropsychology and epigenetics with a mind, body, spirit
approach, Dr. Anna Marie empowers people to break
through their limiting beliefs and reconnect with purpose and
elevate their performance. And this is from the inside out, which I love.
As the founder of Happy Whole You, she has helped countless individuals
and teams move from burnout and disconnection to alignment and
resilience and lasting transformation.
Welcome, Doctor. How are you today?
I'm good. I'm happy to be here and end my day with you.
Yes, me too. So I've met you years ago, but I know
so much time has passed, and at that time, I was more so in
marketing. I was not working as a doctor yet.
So you were, though. So
what has it looked like in the last five years?
Oh my gosh. Five years.
Small question.
I know. Five years feels like a lifetime, and then it feels like yesterday-
Right
... all in one.
Yeah.
And yeah.
Well, so in 2018, I opened Happy Whole You and started
working with people from a holistic standpoint, and then pursued
my PhD and have really gone
full-time, all-in to my wellness center, and it's
been really transformational for me and
my clients, and I pinch myself every day that I get to do what I do.
Yeah.
And it's just wild. And then raising two kids and being a
wife and all the other things that-
And you're married too.
Yes.
Oh my gosh. You needed all the things.
17, 18 years, somewhere around there.
I'm the one that always forgets our anniversary.
I-
Well, you're slightly an overachiever.
Slightly. Yeah. I don't know why I feel like I have a lot to prove, but
it is what it is.
Oh, my gosh. So you're located here in Bakersfield,
right?
Mm-hmm.
Bakersfield, California. Any other locations, or this is the spot?
This is the spot. I'm originally from Michigan.
I actually opened up three other Happy Whole
You's, and some people don't know this, so-
I'm glad I asked.
Yeah.
So
opened up one in Pocatello, Idaho first.
Okay.
And I had a business partner there.
And then we opened Bakersfield, California, then we opened Fort Collins, Colorado,
and then
COVID hit. And then we actually opened another one in...
Actually consulted to help someone open one, and they used our trademark, Happy
Whole You, and anyways, it was a really interesting time.
Legally.
Yes.
But during COVID, we ended up selling the other two to different doctors,
and so now we just have the Bakersfield location.
But what I learned by that, my ego totally wanted to own a bunch of them all over
the world.
Mm-hmm.
And
then there's reality-
Mm-hmm
... and I'm like, "Yeah, I don't want to be that busy in-
Mm-hmm
... that capacity." And-
Mm-hmm
... so life always works out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It definitely does.
I am currently on this journey to open wellness centers,
and it's interesting that you do assign it with a ego.
Mm-hmm.
I need to self-reflect on that one.
Because I don't-
Yeah
... feel like on the surface level that it's ego.
I've known you, you've always had this passion to help
people-
Mm-hmm
... and to change...
You can change your life, and you've always-
Yeah
... believed that people can heal.
Mm-hmm.
And I share that with you, and so it's just like
reaching more people. I just don't believe that there's a boundary to it.
No.
Yeah, things cost money, okay?
Yeah.
Yes, you have to take a flight to other locations, but I also-
Yeah
... just believe doors open where they open.
Mm-hmm.
And so I just find myself walking through them, and then currently,
I'm walking through that door in Florida-
Mm-hmm
... but it doesn't mean that I'm not also here.
So it's-
Right.
But my team is the answer.
Mm-hmm.
Right? So finding your assistant, right, you're just like, "She's-"
Oh, she's the best
... amazing."
Yes.
To me, I feel like at least logistics-wise,
I know I can do it because I have chosen-
Mm-hmm
... good people who are not going to fail me.
And if that's wrong-
Yeah
... I hope that's not wrong.
Yes. You have to surround yourself with good people.
And honestly, when I said the ego,
I've really been looking at the ego versus soul, so
I was just going to dive into this for a second here-
No, do it. Yeah
... because from an entrepreneur standpoint,
businesswoman, a lot of people don't know that I've invested in real estate
since a young age. I used to day trade.
I have other businesses that I do, but I'm mostly known for Happy Whole You
and the Mindset Doctor and what I do in the public eye.
Mm-hmm.
But
going through this journey as an entrepreneur, what I've realized is there
are some opportunities and endeavors that sound good on the
surface-
Mm-hmm
... that could turn a dollar, that could do all these great things for us.
But if we're not truly in alignment with it-
Mm-hmm
... from a soul level, like-
Mm-hmm
... yes, this is all the fibers of my being say yes.
Mm-hmm.
And we kind of talk ourselves into, oh, we should do this because it'll make us
this, or we should do that because da da da da.
That's when I feel like the ego's showing up, and it's trying to
prove-
Interesting.
... it's trying to do all these things, and so it's a really interesting
thing I've been playing with. So anytime I have an opportunity in front of me, I'm
like, "Is it a full body, soul yes-
Mm-hmm
... with every fiber of my being?"Or is it kind of like, "Well yeah, that'd be
great, and of course I could do that, and it'd be successful," and all the things,
but it's not a full-body yes. That's when I know my ego's like, "Oh
yeah, this is your ego lead." So that's what I mean by that.
I love that answer.
So it's kind of interesting.
Yeah.
It's just helping us get centered to really think, "What do I really, really
want?"
Mm-hmm.
From that soul level.
Yeah. And I totally resonate with that.
I am somebody who... I
have like, "Yes!" I'm enthusiastic.
Okay.
And whenever somebody's excited, I'm excited.
Mm-hmm.
If somebody's sad, I feel, in a sense, I'm sad.
I feel like I get to share that joy, high or low, right?
So you translate that into business, it ain't all good.
No.
So I really have learned to neutralize, like nuke it-
Mm-hmm
... because that's not how you make wise business decisions.
Mm-hmm.
And so I do, I turn that off, because you can.
Mm-hmm.
And just really try to, yes, I can
really like somebody and I don't have to do business with you.
We could just be friends.
Yeah. Yeah.
And that's a new learned behavior of mine.
Well yeah, because we're so... I don't know, I'm a recovering people
pleaser, so
Oh. Oh.
So yeah, we took... Yes, you too. Yeah, so it's,
I don't know. And I think, too-
Mm-hmm
... the more success you have, and we do have
more success when we are in alignment with our true authentic self, and we are-
Yeah
... letting our soul lead. Success is just inevitable.
Mm-hmm.
And when we get in that energy,
what I find happens is the more success that
I get, the more it's kind of like,
"Oh, you don't have time for us," or, "Oh..."
The people that used to see you when you used to, I don't want to say smaller,
but when you weren't fully pursuing everything in every fiber of your
being of what you want in your life-
Mm-hmm
... it makes other people uncomfortable.
Totally.
And then-
Yeah
... there's this pull to kind of pull you back down to where you
were.
To be the same.
To be the same.
You're not allowed to grow.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
And it's a really interesting thing to
look at, and I'm always like metacognition of
thinking of our thoughts as this thing I'm super obsessed with.
Yeah.
And when I-
That internal thought not everybody has.
Right.
Yeah.
And
some studies show that less than 30% of people actually think of their thoughts.
Can you imagine? I can't imagine.
No, but it's like when you are a person that does that, when you find
out other people don't do that, you're like, "Oh wait, what do they even-"
Wait, what?
Like, "What? What's happening?"
You're just looking forward?
Yeah.
You're just looking where your eyes are looking? Can you even see?
I know. It's just wild.
Can you see color?
Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's super fascinating.
But, I
work with people on this all the time about thinking of our thoughts and how
our thoughts are affecting our biology, and how whatever it is
that we believe is ultimately coming into true
form.
Mm-hmm.
And most people say, "Oh, well, I'll believe it when I see it." It's like no.
The way the universe works, the way quantum physics works, is you
have to believe it first.
Mm-hmm.
And then it will come into true form, and then you'll see it.
That's why the success you've had, that was a belief in your
mind.
Yeah.
And you've brought it into fruition.
Yeah.
But some people go through life-
That's so interesting
... just believing whatever anyone else is telling them, and they wonder why their
life is a pile of mess, and it's like because you never allowed your
beliefs to be the center of your mind and to be the center of
everything.
Yeah.
So you've pulled in other people's beliefs and other people's dreams for you.
Mm-hmm.
And here it is.
And lack of vision is such a disease in itself.
Yes. Oh my gosh. I know there's a quote that someone said about that, and it's not
coming to me right now, but yeah. Without a vision, people will perish.
Basically. I'm-
Yeah. I mean, is that in the Bible?
It feels biblical.
It really does. It might be there. It might be that kind of
important book.
It sounds like it.
Yes. Oh, man.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, gosh. I do believe if... I think it's the "Field of Dreams." Okay, I'm
not a movie person, but I'm going to just-
Yeah
... use a movie phrase.
Go with it.
"If you build it, the people will come."
Mm-hmm.
So it's like-
Yes
... that is how I function. So-
Yes
... I've always set the date, and then you build it.
Mm-hmm.
Then you launch it.
Work backwards from there.
It doesn't mean that it's already in fruition, but
it is now. I've activated it.
Yeah. That's what... My husband gets scared when I have an idea.
I love this for him.
Because he's like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa."
He's the analytical one, and I'm the one that has the big vision.
Yes.
And we've been married for 17 years now, so he knows when I have an
idea, he's like, "Oh, crap. It's already done.
She's already moving towards it."
Oh, my gosh. I had
this vision of... So the brick and mortar that I have in
Bakersfield, California, it's right downtown,
and I really wanted to buy the house right next door to my
building. And the guy, he is going to sell it to me, but not yet.
Mm-hmm.
Because this is what I'm manifesting.
And then I was like, "You know, I could just look down the
street, I'm sure, and find something." And no joke, there was this
house, and it was abandoned. It's all broken down, all the things.
And it's a house and then a two-unit.
Anyways, I call my realtor and I was like, "Okay, this is
how much I want to put on this house," or whatever.
Yeah.
And he's like, "Oh, okay." And then I literally went home, and I was like, "Oh,
yeah, babe, remember when I was talking I want an Airbnb right down the street from
the center, and all the things? I just want to let you know, I just put in a
bid on a house right now." And he's like, "What?"
It was an idea I had a few weeks-
Yesterday
... prior, and then all of a sudden it's here-
This morning
... and it's happening and it's done.
Mm-hmm.
So
anyways, yeah, I kind of move fast with that.
But when I know-
I feel like a few weeks is like a few cat lives, so I think that's fine.
Yeah. Yes.
Yeah.
Yes. I'm telling you. It's like-
That's a long time to me
... collapsing time and making things happen faster. I mean, we only get one life.
Yeah.
It's like, what?80, 90 years old, that is not enough
time. I'm trying to live a thousand lives in one-
Yeah. I'm only trying to live-
... while healing thousands of years of trauma.
Yeah.
All at once.
Yeah.
I think
that's good.
Yeah. But yeah, the vision, our belief system is
so powerful, and when you allow your beliefs to serve you
and allow them to be yours-
Mm-hmm
... anything is possible. But if you allow other people's ideas, thoughts, beliefs
to run your life, you will wake up one day and be like,
"What have I done with my life?"
Yeah.
Yeah.
I definitely don't want to be that guy.
No. No, thank you.
Ugh. Yeah. I like no regrets, but then, of course, it's
impossible to have no regrets.
Oh-
Impossible.
Yeah. Yeah, I've done some really dumb s**t. Can we swear on this? I don't know.
You can do-
Okay
... whatever you want.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. No, liberation, please. This is a safe space, a safe
room. Justin's not even here.
He's nodding over there, yes, you can swear. Okay.
Yeah.
Okay, great.
Yeah. Gosh. Well,
I think in business, for sure,
I like your spirit of entrepreneurship. I love it.
I love building. I love the creating.
Mm-hmm.
I love the act of bringing something from nothing, and then
watching it grow like a plant-
Yes
... and just have fruit, and the... I don't know. I love the whole thing.
Yeah. It-
It lights me up
... it really does.
Yeah.
Yeah. Business is one, it's definitely not for
everyone.
Mm-mm.
And I try to stay totally in the positive of it, but I think
that out of all the businesses I've done, Happy Whole You is the
one that just feels so good. I'm
so optimistic.
It's just, of course, it's working.
Of course-
Yeah
... it's super successful. I don't know.
I don't have that doubt in me with that one, where it's like-
Yeah
... when I've done other businesses or invested in other people's businesses, I'm
like, "Ooh, okay. Well, we lost some money on that one," and
you know. But it was like every fiber of my being was like-
Yeah
... "Yes." And when I first opened,
people were like, "Wait, what are you doing?" "Wait,
what?"
Mm-hmm.
"You have a wellness center in Bakersfield?
It's conservative." And I would tell people to go earth and ground themselves
and let the sunshine hit their skin, and all these things, and it was
like, "Huh?" And now it's totally normal.
I've actually had two clients that have
opened up buildings and opened up businesses just like mine.
Aw, that's awesome.
I know. I'm like, bring more wellness.
I love that you can celebrate that too-
Yes
... because that's how I feel.
Yes.
I'm going to celebrate it and then collaborate-
Mm-hmm
... not feel like, "Oh, that's competition."
Yeah. I agree.
No, I want to help everyone.
You know what's funny about competition? So I was an athlete.
I was a D1 athlete. And so as an athlete, it's
like for me to win, someone has to lose.
And I-
Interesting
... thought that way for a very, very long time,
and as I've gotten older and started collaborating and working
in different businesses and stuff,
I would find myself retracting and feeling like, "Oh my gosh, is this going to
work?" Or-
Mm
... there's not enough business to go around, and having that
fearful mindset that-
Mm-hmm
... things aren't abundant.
Yeah.
And I'll never forget, I was with my husband, and we were flying over the
grapevine.
And I was looking down, and we
had just crossed over to above Santa Clarita and over there.
Mm-hmm.
And I saw all these houses, like house after house
after house after house after house.
And I was having a little pity party for myself- ...
because my business was not going well at the time.
Yeah.
I had just opened, and I'm like, "What?
I took my life savings to open this place," and-
You're doing math.
I'm just like- ... girl math.
And meanwhile, I was still working a full-time job.
Mm-hmm.
And
something hit me, and it was like, there's so much business for everyone.
There's so much. And I literally shifted out of that
competitive mindset into-
Mm-hmm
... the collaborative mindset.
Yeah.
And the moment you shift into that and realize there is enough
for everyone-
Mm-hmm
... it sets you free. And even if someone opens a
business just like yours-
Mm-hmm
... literally-
Cookie cutter
... one of my client... Literally, she bought pretty much
every single device I have, the exact same brand, everything, opened it.
And what is interesting is it's like if you are
being true to your authentic self,
she's going to do great-
Mm-hmm
... if she stays true to her authentic self, and I'm going to do great if I stay
true to mine because we're not for everyone.
No.
Right?
Yeah.
So I fully understand-
Yeah
... some of my woo-woo that people are like, "Wait, what?" And I'm like, "Well,
it's really not woo-woo. It's actually neuroscience and epigenetics and-
Yeah
... neuroplasticity," but whatever.
Yeah.
If I'm not for you, there's other people, which is-
Yeah
... really great.
Mm-hmm.
But I do think that we're brought up in a culture that's like, for me
to win, you have to lose, and I'm realizing-
That's not true
... it's so not true-
Right?
... on so many levels.
Oh, yeah.
And I love discovering that.
I hope people hear that.
Yeah.
And it's not like we're giving trophies to everybody, okay?
Yeah.
That's not what we're saying.
Right.
We're just saying that you can collaborate because it's like you've just created
synergy. You can just-
Mm-hmm
... tenfold. You can compound interest, your effort.
Why wouldn't you?
Mm-hmm.
I don't want to work harder. I'd rather like, let's just do this together-
Yes
... get more likes together-
Yes
... because it's just hard already.
Yeah. I think collaboration is just so important.
And another thing that I've really
witnessed is,
so there's women that
sayYou know, I support other women. I'm here for other women.
Oh, that means I don't support women.
Oh, well, I'm going to say their-
Unless, are you saying that?
Well, I'm saying, I'm going to say their name in a
room when they're not there, and I'm saying
that we can want that for ourselves-
Mm-hmm
... and we can want that for other women, but if you're still coming from a
place of lack and scarcity,
you're not going to fully
do that.
Mm-hmm.
And what I realized is I used to be like that.
I used to-
Same
... I'm for other women, and I really was, but then at the same time, I was like,
"Wait, but what about me?"
Mm-hmm.
And so the moment I started shifting that, and it's like, what
about us?
Mm-hmm.
I don't know. There was
a fiber of me that-
Mm-hmm
... was saying it, but I wasn't fully living it like I am now.
Yeah.
And it's really freeing when you
actually step into, I'm good no matter what.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
Yeah.
You get to be a thousand times successful.
Mm-hmm.
I get to be a thousand times successful, and your success doesn't mean I don't
get success.
Right.
And
the thing is, until I started up-leveling the circles
that I'm in-
Mm-hmm
... and the people that I choose to work with-
Ooh, that's good
... it really taught me because I have some pretty powerful
women out in the world right now that are like, "Yeah, do you know about Dr.
Anna Marie?" And I'm just like, "Oh, my gosh." Like, I-
Isn't it weird whenever somebody gives a shout-out, and it's like, wait, what, did
you-
I know. I'm like-
Wait, what?
... you have
hundreds of thousands of followers, and you care about me.
Like, I feel so special.
I love that.
But I care about her, too. You know?
Of course. You're just doing your thing and being you-
Yes
... as you would with anybody.
And again, I think that's the key. I think when we are being
who we are-
Mm-hmm
... and we're doing what we love-
Yeah
... competition isn't even there.
It's different games. It's like a different field.
It's a totally different field. In the quantum field, it is such an elevated
experience-
Yeah
... and a way of being and a vibration that we exude-
Yeah
... that people are like, "Wait, what?"
Yeah.
It's so fun to play in that.
Yeah.
I love it.
I agree.
I don't know if that made sense for anyone, but...
It resonated with me, I can tell you that.
And I think if it just reaches one person
in the podcast, that's really how I see it.
Something that might be so small to me-
Mm-hmm
... is pivotal or life-changing for somebody else, and I'm like-
Right
... "Okay, well, you're welcome."
And then also, me sitting in this chair, I learn from other people, you
know?
Yes.
I don't know it all. I'm showing up. I'm just here ready to learn.
Mm-hmm.
I'm a cog in this gigantic wheel of life, and
I just want us to do better because right now, I feel like I give it
like a C or a D-
Mm
... in medicine. I'm just like, I wanted to have all the answers by the
time I was done. And then I just am like this emoji, like
you know?
Like, what?
With a ponytail, and I'm just like, I just
really expected us to be more advanced.
Mm-hmm.
And there's just this belief in medicine to heal,
and
we can fix everything, but we're in our own
way.
Mm-hmm.
I think the standard of care, there's the desire
to have it or to raise it, but the way to get there,
with all of the evidence-based language-
Mm-hmm
... we almost need to chop it up.
Yeah.
We almost are-- It's 10 to 20 years to put
something onto the market, yet, okay, side note-
Mm-hmm
... the vaccines, okay, that was like-
Oh
... a whole thing. I'm not even going to go there.
Yeah.
But it takes billions of dollars,
double-digit millions, to just put anything out.
I'm sorry, how many things are we really going to advance at that-
Yeah
... price?
Right. And stuff that goes out, I think it
takes
5.2 years for something to be recalled when it's not working, and
the damage is already done in terms of pharmaceuticals.
It's probably phase four then, right? Because then we are the test subjects.
We are.
We just don't say that-
Yes
... it's a phase four.
Well, and I think that's why it's called practicing medicine, right?
It's like all a practice. And-
That's funny
... I did a talk earlier about how we're all making s**t up.
Mm-hmm.
Like, literally, we're all making it up.
Like,
everything, the good, the bad, we're all making it up.
But, I-
Our story is all the same because we all went to the same schools.
Oh my gosh. The stories. Yes. I come from
the OG of medicine, and that's herbal
medicine.
Okay.
And
the medicine that I've studied is the original.
Western medicine has been around
since 1890 to, I want to say
1910 was when it was really coming to the forefront in this
country. And before that, our universities used to be
called colleges, and they did Native American
practices. They did herbs. They did stuff on nutrition.
These things that would really work on the whole person.
Mm-hmm.
And then it wasn't until the Rockefellers and the Carnegie
Foundations paid this gentleman with the last name of
Flexner to go around and try to
streamline all these medical schools,
and the reason they wanted to do that
is because they started with the petrochemical industry.
They started to be able to make synthetic drugs and synthetics-
Oh
... of medicine. And so we live in a
capitalist country-
Mm-hmm
... and they saw an opportunity. And so then
slowlyAnd people listening, I don't want to bore you with the story, but you can
look into the Flexner Report and all that stuff.
But what it did is it took out a lot of that holistic
health out of the practices, and then you
look at how insurance companies and medicine has been since the
'80s and how everything has been so
destructive. For a doctor to have only five to seven minutes with a
patient-
Yeah
... is wild. And I don't believe anyone gets into medicine-
Mm-hmm
... thinking, "Oh, I just want to spend five or 10 minutes and send them on their
way," but it's like their hands are tied.
Mm-hmm.
And to really meet doctors that are owned by some of these
big conglomerate and quote unquote "nonprofit hospitals" and-
Mm-hmm
... you have to follow this standard of care-
Yeah
... versus like what happened to listening to the patient?
Yeah, we don't have time.
What happened to looking at their tongue and looking at their face and-
Mm-mm
... checking their pulse with your hand?
This is some of the stuff that-
Wait, touch them? I'm just kidding.
I know, right? Touch them, huh?
So when I work with clients, obviously in this
country, I'm not practicing medicine, I'm not diagnosing, I'm not prescribing, but
what I'm doing is I'm using my knowledge based on Chinese
medicine, based on holistic health to see what physical observations has the
body given me. You give me someone who sticks their tongue out and lets it hang
out, and they can't even relax it, I guarantee you they have anxiety, their nervous
system is offline, and their adrenals are screaming.
I do tongue analysis.
You do?
I do.
Thank you.
I take a picture of it-
Yes
... and it's in their charts.
Oh my gosh.
I want to see if you bite your tongue.
Yes.
I want to see if you have a smooth, glossy tongue.
Or a coating.
Ridges. Yeah, a coating.
Yeah. We call the ridges, we call those scalloping.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
It's part of your intake.
That- Oh my God, yes. That is so important
because the body is giving us these small little signals over time.
Yeah.
And if we don't listen to it, the body's going to speak to us louder-
Yeah
... and louder and louder.
Yeah.
And these are subtleties that the body's saying, "I need a slight change, please."
Yeah.
But we no longer know how to decode it.
No. We're not even looking.
Oh my gosh, not even looking.
Oh my gosh. It's wild.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah. And I think it's kind of fun for patients.
I'm like, "Send me a selfie with your tongue out."
Yeah.
They're like, "Are you kidding?"
Oh my gosh.
I'm like, "I'm not."
Yeah. It's so good.
Yeah.
Someone's tongue can say a lot about their health.
Yes.
A lot about their health.
Mine had kind of a grayish
hue before I started all of the, I would say,
changes with functional medicine.
Were you having digestive issues, too?
Yeah.
Uh-huh. Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
And it was like a little candidal overgrowth.
Mm-hmm.
So that just requires a lot of changes.
Yeah.
So I was just like, "Ugh."
And that can lead to you feeling a little anxious-
Mm-hmm
... and uneasy.
Yep.
Yeah.
So you guys, don't send your tongue pictures to all
doctors, but you can definitely send it to us.
Yeah.
You're going to get-
We'll check it out
... some info back.
Yeah. Oh my gosh, I love that. So good.
Have you ever done iridology, looking at the eyes?
No, but I want to get into it, but I-
It's so interesting
... haven't.
I really just-
Tell me more
... so I really just scratched the surface, but some
iridologists go really deep into the layers of the eyes.
But just for example, most people that
have a blue iris, so they call it blue lymphatic
iris-
Mm-hmm
... these people are going to tend to have issues with their skin, their lymphatic
system.
Hmm.
They're going to have issues with their sinuses.
Okay.
I
did this
free sessions for kids a couple weeks ago at the center,
and I just would look at their eyes, and based on their eye type, I'd say, "Okay,
these are some tendencies the kid could go towards."
Mm-hmm.
So knowing that they have a tendency to go towards that with their constitution of
how they were born-
Mm-hmm
... we want to support those areas sooner-
Yeah
... rather than later.
Yeah.
So just getting some insight, right?
Right.
Because as you know, as a doctor, two people can be exposed to the
very same chemical-
Yeah
... two people can be exposed to mold, two people can be exposed to the same thing,
but their bodies react differently.
That is a conversation that I have actually all the time.
I tell patients, "We need to work on your resiliency to your
environment. Your environment's not changing."
Right. Yeah.
You can't get rid of your kids. You can't get rid of
the air. You can't just do these-
Yeah
... dramatic... You can't be Bubble Boy.
Mm-hmm.
So what do you do? You have to fix your resiliency so that you're basically
like a rat in a-
Right
... apocalypse. You can handle any environment.
Oh my gosh. Yes. I love that.
Yeah.
Yeah. So someone with that type of iris,
because they could have more lung issues too with that blue lymphatic
iris, you want to do dry brushing or
use a lymphatic shake board. You know how you stand on those vibration plates?
Oh yeah, totally.
That'd totally help them-
Yeah
... even more.
Or a little trampoline.
Yes. Or a little-
Which is fun
... a little bit of local honey every day to help with the allergies.
Oh, it's delicious.
Using a neti pot because your sinuses can tend to flare up.
Again, these are just little simple tricks because you're absolutely right.
Our environment is our environment, but how we show up in our environment, we can
make slight changes that'll make a big difference with our health over time.
Yeah. It just is crazy how some people side by side are
fine.
Mm-hmm.
They're totally fine. They're running outside.
Meanwhile,
me, if I take a little jog around the block, oh my God.
Yeah.
My eyes are stingy- ... and I'm just like, "This environment's killing me."
Yeah.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Fixing that and getting a more robust immune health,
which to me goes back to gut health-
Mm-hmm
... which goes back to bone health.
Mm-hmm.
So those things, they take a little bit.
Yeah. Yeah, and what's interesting about the bones is
people think calcium and vitamin D-
Yeah
... but our bones are made up of so many minerals.
Yes.
So if you're not getting those minerals-Then,
yeah, your bones are not good.
Mm-hmm.
Then your gut is not good.
Mm-hmm.
And then your brain is not good.
Mm-hmm.
Because your gut and your brain talk, and to get those minerals, you need to
be eating fruits and vegetables and nuts and-
Yeah
... seeds and beans and all of these
nutrient-dense foods.
Mm-hmm.
And we're not eating them.
Yeah. We're not.
So yeah, so I love that. That's so good.
Mm-hmm. And then I do believe that the body is smart, and
there's robbers and there's things, and I'm equating it
to robbers because-
Mm-hmm
... if you're not putting the nutrients in, it's stealing from another
source-
Correct
... or site, whether it's stealing from your bone, from your brain, it's stealing.
Mm-hmm.
So if you're like, "Oh, I felt fine, and I neglected myself for a decade,"
you're actually not going to be well in the next decade.
Yeah.
You just gave up time, really.
Yes.
It's not like you're not winning.
Yeah. And I can see that on people's faces.
Yeah.
There's different decades in Chinese medicine that, like with the face, and then if
you have these deficiencies, it will show up in your next decade.
I love that you say that.
Right? Like here.
And yeah, so this is your 20s, 30s.
Ooh.
30s are right in here.
Oh, my.
And then your 40s are in there, but then your 50s are above your lip, and your
60s and 70s are down here.
Yeah. It's pretty interesting.
Oh my gosh.
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
But yeah. I was going to say something. What was I going to say?
It was about stealing?
Yes, thank you. Oh my gosh.
I saw your thought bubble.
Yes, I love that. So women-
Mm-hmm
... who have had babies,
who have had multiple babies, who had breastfed, I can't
tell you how many women come and see me and they're like, "Oh, my
hormones are messed up, and da, da, da, da, da." And I'm like, "Oh, how many kids
do you have?" And then, "Oh, let's look at your nervous system." And
the reality, if we go to the root, root, root, root, root, they
are deficient in so much. I'm like,
who ever told us after we had a baby or while we had a baby to
replenish all the nutrients that we just literally gave to a whole another
human?
Mm-hmm.
We're not replenishing after we have children, like we should.
Yeah, there's no change.
Mm-mm.
It's just existing-
Existing in exhaustion
... in survival. Yeah.
In survival, yeah.
Same.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Yeah. It is interesting. But the body is
so resilient, which is what I love.
Mm-hmm.
But we have to
show up and take care of it-
Yeah
... in the ways that actually move the needle.
Yeah.
And one of the biggest ways that we move the needle with our
health is not
the food we eat, is not exercising-
Mm-mm
... it's actually how we are thinking and speaking about our lives.
Yeah.
And
when I learned that you can change your
biochemistry in 150 to 300 milliseconds by shifting the
thought alone,
I'm like,
"Wait, what?"
That's pretty wild.
Yeah.
You know what I mean? So-
I haven't heard that.
Yeah. So it's like the thoughts we have, the words we speak,
carry these vibrational frequencies that instruct our cells.
That's the
first and foremost.
I too believe that. You just gave me chills. That is so right.
Sound therapy, the hertz-
Mm-hmm
... matters. There's healing hertz.
Yes.
H-E-R-T-Z.
Yes. Oh my gosh. I just got done doing a talk for a women's group before I
came here, and it was all about our
thoughts and Dr. Emoto's work about water having
consciousness and-
Mm-hmm
... ultimately our bodies are 60% water or more.
Mm-hmm.
And there's research that backs, like if you think negative thoughts, how
that water freezes in a chaotic form if you're directing those negative thoughts
towards the water.
Isn't that insane?
Oh, it-
Or the music played.
Yes.
It gives different images.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's so wild. So it's super exciting to me
because I think often we're led to believe that
we're doomed by our genetics when the reality is-
Small category
... small category.
Yeah.
Epigenetics, the environment which you put your genes in, is-
Mm-hmm
... everything.
Yep.
Everything. So yeah, I mean, that's exciting I feel like, because-
It is
... we have more control over our biology than what we think.
Oh, we totally do.
Mm-hmm.
We totally do. And so just walking into ownership of that, I think is
our next step.
Yes.
And the next, next step is, or probably maybe the step before that,
you guys decide, but just deciding, "I don't actually
know what healthy is. Let's just shred this and
start fresh."
Mm.
Let's just hit this reset button, unplug it from the
wall, pretend like you know nothing, because if you're walking in
saying, "I eat healthy, I live really clean,
blah, blah, blah," you're in here-
Mm-hmm
... because you're not feeling great.
Right.
So your plan has failed.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Your plan failed, and that's why you're here. So now what?
Mm-hmm.
So if you're going to just
bottle it into, "I'm healthy and I do..."
You are doing what you think is healthy, but it's not working.
Right. Yes.
So reframing.
Yes. I love that. I was the person that
in my early 20s, I was exercising like crazy.
Yeah.
I'd be like, "Just exercise. It'll solve all your problems." Yeah, easy to say when
you're in early 20s, you haven't had babies yet and all the stress.
And then after having children, I was like, "Oh, I got to really work
on this nutrition thing."
Yeah.
And so in my 30s, I was eating healthy and
exercising, but I still wasn't fully okay, and it wasn't until I
started working on my mindset-
Mm-hmm
... that my biology and physiology actually started to
changeDramatically.
Interesting.
And so I think that when it comes to healing, we have to start with the
mind first.
Yep.
And from there build.
Yeah.
That's just my two cents, because that's what I've
come across.
Yeah.
Because I'll have the men and the women that are doing the CrossFit, that are
eating super clean, getting their protein in, and all those things, and they're in
front of me, and they're freaking having anxiety attacks.
They're depressed, their hormones-
Yeah
... all over the place. They're not okay. They have muscle.
They look like they should be thriving,
and they are literally suffering.
That is hard.
It's wild.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
But it's not, I think, in their scenario, because they
do have the muscle mass, I think they're almost easier, in my opinion,
to course-correct, because-
Oh
... the muscle is like life. There's just so much health that
comes from having muscle.
Mm-hmm.
So if they were just like a skinny-
Right
... that would be more challenging.
Yeah. Totally.
Right?
Yeah. It definitely is
a lot easier and results much
quicker when someone comes in, they are eating well, and they
are lifting weights, because that's so important.
Mm-hmm.
And they do have those two dialed in.
Yeah.
So I'm like, "Oh, this is fun. We just work on that mindset and rewiring the
brain, and like-
Yeah
... you're going to be golden."
Yeah.
And it's great. But most people, when are we ever
taught to think about how we think?
Oh, never.
Never.
Never.
We are never.
We're taught what to think.
Correct.
That's it.
That's it.
Like a little soldier.
Uh-huh. Yeah.
That's why I'm trying to be-
Follow the line
... a black sheep.
Because I'm like, "No."
Yes.
You-
It's so good.
Yeah.
Yeah. So yeah. It's the mind, I feel like,
and that's my jam when I work with people is like we get to go to
the mind, and not a lot of people want to go there.
Yeah. What do you think... So you're a naturopathic doctor?
Mm-hmm.
Okay. What do you think is a space that we
perhaps in our classic training diverge?
Because functional medicine-wise, we definitely align.
But the formal training, not like me and you as like personal, like
whatever, but the formal training.
Because it's interesting to hear
patients that have gone to a naturopathic doctor, so they'll
verbalize what they've been told, with like energy, grounding,
all the stuff.
Mm-hmm.
But on my side, I can validate it with like
drawing out electrons.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, truly, like-
Yeah
... it's interesting just the language.
It's physics.
It's physics.
Yeah.
It's slightly different language, but I think there's just so
much there that is completely aligned and
proper.
Mm-hmm.
But I don't know where the spaces differ, if you know of them.
Well, I think you've educated yourself
on the whole person and the biology
beyond
your basic training.
Mm-hmm.
I'm trained as a traditional naturopath, so
I've studied Chinese medicine. I've studied energy medicine, Ayurvedic
medicine.
I've master herbalist, so I've studied herbs and how they interact with the body.
I do a lot with plant stem cells. So not human stem cells, but plant
stem cells.
Yeah.
And at the end of the day, everything is
energy.
Mm-hmm.
And so I think from the Western standpoint, we're constantly
trying to go to the physical,
and we're constantly going to,
"This hurts, so fix that thing." Whereas-
Symptom treatment
... correct. So I think holistically, we're looking at
the energy of not just
the symptoms, but we're looking at the energetics of the entire
biofield, and the entire-
Like mitochondria?
Well, see,
so I'm talking about
beyond the mitochondria. I'm talking about the biofield.
Okay.
This auric field that, like our fields are
very intertwined right now, and this is-
Yeah
... in the quantum field.
I believe in the orb, is what I describe it as-
Yes
... which is very non-medical, but-
Yes
... it's an orb.
But it's physics. It's these-
Yeah
... invisible electrons, protons, like all this energy.
Because honestly, if we
look at a cell under a microscope-
Yeah
... and we keep peeling back the layers of that cell-
Yeah
... when you get to the end,
all there is is energy.
Yep.
Right?
Yeah.
So the mitochondria, what's it creating? ATP.
Yeah.
It's creating energy.
Yeah.
That energy, you cannot pick up, you cannot grab it.
Right.
It is literally energy. So if we're going into every cell till we can't go any
further, the only thing that's left is energy, meaning we are more
energy than we are physical matter, and the physical matter isn't even
real.
Mm-hmm.
It's just denser because it's vibrating-
Uh-huh
...
so fast.
Right.
And so when we're looking at healing the body, like this
is where like reiki work and the fact that our hands are
electromagnetic, and our hands can heal.
Think about it. When you fall down and you bump your knee, what's the first
thing instinctually you do? You grab it with your hands, right?
Yeah.
You hit your face. Oh, you touch it with your hands.
Yeah.
Our hands are so powerful.
I never thought of that.
Yeah. It's a natural human instinct to hold it,
to touch it when it hurts, and when it's like you've fallen.
Okay.
And so,
like earlier, when I was giving that talk, okay, I actually had a doctor that
volunteered, so this is great.
So new doctor in town, she was hearing the talk that I was giving
todayAnd I had her volunteer. She came up,
stood in front of the group. So this is a group of 25 women,
and I said, "Okay.
There's two words, 'love' and 'hate.'
All I want you to do is, I'm going to hold up the number one if I
want you to only think the word love,
and I want you to only think the word hate when I hold
up the number two." And the gal, this doctor, she doesn't know if I'm holding up
one or two.
Mm-hmm.
I get a baseline check. I have her put her arm straight out, and I say, "I'm going
to push your arm down. Resist me."
Mm-hmm.
So she does that. She resists me, and I can't push her arm down.
So then I have everyone in the audience thinking
the word hate. So they're just thinking it.
We're not saying it, they're just thinking it. And I say, "Okay, put your arm out.
I'm going to push down on your arm again." And I go to push on her arm, and her arm
is wavering up and down, like she can't keep it straight.
And she's like, "Okay, that's weird." I'm like, "Okay." And then I hold
up the number one. I'm like, "Okay, everyone, you're going to think..." I don't say
it out loud, but they're all thinking the word love. And then I'm like, "Okay.
Please put your arm back out. I'm going to push on your arm again." And she's back
to being super strong.
Wow.
This is because our consciousness, our ability to
even think the word love, and you know, we talked about sound therapy earlier.
Yeah.
If you have love played, that vibration played in
hertz, because hertz is a very specific, I think it's 528 hertz is love-
Yeah
... then you can feel that. You can see it move in sand, and it
creates a beautiful formation. You can see in Dr.
Emoto's work, love-
It's symmetrical.
Correct. Yes. It's symmetrical. It creates, if you freeze
water-
Like rounded edges.
Mm-hmm. You freeze water, and you put it under a microscope that, and
you've been telling that water, "Love, love, love," it freezes in a beautiful
crystal formation.
Oh my gosh.
Now you do that to water and you tell it, "Hate," it
freezes in a chaotic formation.
Oh.
You tell it, "Fear," it freezes in chaotic formation.
And your body, the physical body, that's really energy,
is 60% or more water.
Yes.
What do you think those thoughts are doing to your body?
But again, it's not just the body, it's the field.
Mm-hmm.
So how is it that everyone's consciousness, them thinking one word or
another,
caused this woman's physiology, her body, to get
weaker?
That's crazy.
So to say that-
I believe it
... this isn't real-
Yeah
... I mean, that's fine, you can think that. I don't care.
I know how the quantum field works.
That's why I've been able-
Yeah
... to call in all the success I've had.
Yeah.
That's why I've been able to heal my brain from when I was 22.
Yeah.
Be able to fix-
Like I've healed my brain too
... my hormones.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh. There's so much I've been able to do-
Yeah
... when I've gone to Western doctors and they're like, "Oh, no, nope."
And I've seen it with my clients.
Yeah.
I mean, I've had clients that have had instantaneous healing, and it's
like, where's the science behind that?
You really need science when they're right fricking in front of you?
I mean, we've been using subjective feedback to diagnose people-
It'll be 20 years
... with mental illness forever.
Let's just give it 20 years-
Oh my gosh
... and you have a few extra millions or-
Yeah
... billions, and then you'll have science.
Right. Well, what's funny-
But then it's self-funded, but then it's like-
And it's a rat race. But I think it's
fascinating when it's like, well, where's the science? Where's the papers?
But when it comes to mental health, we will prescribe, and we
have zero way of measuring brain chemistry.
The brain is the only organ in the body a doctor will prescribe or medicate, and
they've never scanned it or looked at it.
Yeah.
Which is pretty wild.
Mm-hmm.
So why when it comes to the brain and mental health-
Mm-hmm
... are we blindfolded throwing darts at the wall-
Yeah
... and you're not asking for more science, you're not asking for more
than just subjective feedback?
Yeah.
And I'm saying this because I was 22, 23 years old, highly
medicated by a psychiatrist-
Mm-hmm
... and I wanted to take my own life.
And it was that whole environment and that time of my
life when I finally woke up, and I was like, "I've got to heal myself."
Mm-hmm.
Because otherwise-
No one's coming to save you.
No one. Uh-uh. Ain't no one coming to save me.
No one's coming.
There's no amount of Xanax and-
No.
Yeah.
And then you have to wait for your refills.
Yeah. Oh, right? And then you want to see me again. And then, oh, I can't put...
I was on three mind-altering medications.
They couldn't even write them all on the same script.
I literally had three different prescriptions.
And it's like, and I was 22, 23 years old.
My brain wasn't-
Yeah
... even fully developed.
Yeah.
This is literally-
That's wild
... this doctor just talked to me for 15 or 20 minutes,
and by the way, this is
20 years ago. So I know there's been some wonderful things that have changed, like-
No, it's just as bad
... but it's just as bad. Yeah.
It's literally just... No, it's probably worse because now we have
more in the population-
More meds
... more meds-
Oh my gosh
... and more people.
Yeah. I mean-
And fewer doctors, I feel like.
Yeah. So it's like, I don't know. Yeah.
I love when Western doctors
and holistic health practitioners like myself can actually come together, and it's
not one or the other, and it's like, okay, there is a time and
place for medicine, 1,000%.
Mm-hmm.
And medicine has come such a long way with emergency care and all of that.
Yeah.
But let's not be so fricking delusional-
Yep
... to think that a medication is going to heal anyone.
Medications keep you
alive. They keep you-
Yeah
... sick.
Yeah.
And you know-
They're good for business
... they're great for business.
They're so lucrative-
Yes
... to be sick.
And there are some medications that keep people alive, or else they wouldn't be.
Like, I-
Yeah
... I fully get that.
Yeah.
But
the pendulum has swung so far-
Mm-hmm
... that people think like, oh, like for me, we don't take insurance.
Mm-hmm.
Like, no.
Same. Yeah.
So it's like, well, if my insurance doesn't pay for it, then I
can't afford it, or I can't do it. And it's like, we're so brainwashed to
think that. I'm sitting here today, I don't have medical insurance.
Yeah.
I pay for an emergency plan, and I pay cash for everything.
Yeah, same.
Because otherwise my family would be spending-
Oh, I have bronze.
Yeah.
It's the lowest option.
My family would be spending $30,000 a year on sick
insurance. I'm like, "Let me save that $30,000 and put
it in some investments and make some money." And heaven forbid, if we do have an
emergency-
Yeah
... then you know what? I have an emergency group that I'm a part
of and-
Right
... whatever. But if I have to pay out of pocket, it's
so criminal what's happening right now.
Yeah.
And then I'll get people that come and see me, and they've been on all these
medications. They're so jacked up.
And then it's like I'm working with them, and within 30 days, they're getting
better, and they're going back to their doctor to try to get off these medications.
And then the doctor's like, "Well," and they're nervous to take them off these
medications because they're never trained to take them off.
Yeah.
Especially mental health medications.
Right.
So it's like, I don't know. I
feel like there's no simple answer, but I think having
these conversations-
Yeah
... and being open to the fact that it's not just one way-
Mm-mm
... is really important.
Yeah, definitely. And I know there's definitely a barrier that
exists as a naturopathic. So as you're changing
somebody's life and they're desperate, they're showing up, they're like, "I'm
trying. I'm ready
to just do whatever it takes to fix it." So in a sense, they're in a vulnerable
state. And then it's like they've tried the whole
algorithm. They've been to Cedars.
They've been-
Yeah
... to the specialist of the specialist, and they've done it, and then there's
still no answers.
Yeah.
They're still not better. And then at least
there's people out there that are like, "I'm ready and willing to help you.
Tell me what you've done." And I'm one of them.
Mm-hmm.
And I am outside of the box because I'm like,
"Well, I know what you've gone through already, so now let's try these other
things." But it's not without resistance from
primary care-
Mm-hmm
... which is where I started. So as a naturopathic, I would imagine you also
experience that because it's like there is an elitist
mindset with the boards-
Mm-hmm
... and with what we believe that we know.
So it's hard out there.
Yeah. It really is. I have so many stories of
clients, and
I think
it's just bringing awareness that there are practitioners
that are going to take the time with you, that are going-
Yeah
... to sit down with you, that are truly wanting you to heal.
Yeah.
And sometimes that's going to cost you money out of your pocket.
Yep.
And I'm not saying other doctors don't want that.
They
don't have the capacity to do that.
Yeah.
And they're owned.
Yeah.
They
don't have freedom to practice.
Yeah.
They are owned by an institution-
Yeah
... that is telling them how they need to show up, what they need to prescribe-
Mm-hmm
... in what order.
Yeah.
And unfortunately-
Otherwise, then it's malpractice.
Uh-huh.
And then it's a vulnerable space.
Mm-hmm.
So it's leveraged. Your whole life is
leveraged against you-
Yeah
... essentially, and that is freaking scary.
Oh, yeah. It's really
an unfortunate situation that we're in.
Yeah.
And it's pretty wild.
In Chinese medicine,
so is there a similar board that you have to
answer to and that guide the treatment
plans?
Well, we don't treat people, remember that.
Oh, but the language.
So we just help people-
Okay
... they get to heal themselves and restore their foundations of health.
Okay.
So we don't treat, and we don't prescribe-
I like that
... and we don't diagnose, because otherwise, that steps into medical and we-
We own those words.
Correct. You-
They're words that we actually bought.
No, you really did. And you want to know what other word you bought?
Please tell. I love it.
You bought the word anxiety. So-
Ugh
... I can help people with symptoms of anxiety.
Yeah.
But I'm not going to cure your anxiety.
I use the term dysregulation of the nervous system.
Mm-hmm.
I don't like depression or anxiety.
Yeah.
I know that those are medical diagnosis codes. They're ICD-10s.
Yeah.
I get it.
But those are also side effects of something else.
Yes.
So what's crazy is people are getting these diagnosis, and
diagnosis-
Yeah
... from my understanding, used to be like, what's the root problem?
Yeah.
What's the real cause?
Yeah.
Well, the depression isn't the real issue.
Yeah.
It's underneath that.
Yeah.
Depression is just a side effect-
Right
... of
microbiome being screwed up or different things going on in the
body.
Yeah.
And so I do find that interesting, that-
That is very interesting.
Yeah. But to go back to your question, so
there's
really not.
Mm-hmm.
And
I have a board certification from the National Wellness
Institute certification.
Okay.
Or a board certification. So I had to go in, and after I did my PhD,
I took this test and did some case studies and
sent in a bunch of stuff, and they looked over.
They did these calls with me, and then so I just had a
designation of that-
Okay. Yeah
... given to me.
Yeah.
But there's best practices that we're supposed to go by, but
again, because we're putting the healing back in the
hands of our clients-
Mm-hmm
...
you're your own doctor.
Yeah. That is really my mindset.
Yeah.
That's very much how I feel like I'm the Siri of medicine.
I'm going to just tell you the definitions-
Mm-hmm
... and if you bring things to me, I'm going to read it and then help interpret
it. But I'm not the God of who
decides for you.
Yeah.
I don't use the languageLike you can't heal or this is
your sentence that-
Mm-hmm
... you can't ever fix this.
Yeah.
Now it might be you can fix this and it's going to cost you a lot, right?
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
It might be a money situation.
Yeah.
But I do believe like most things you can
heal from.
Yes. God made our bodies amazing.
Mm-hmm.
And every organ system,
if you get ahead of it, has the mechanisms to heal.
And it's just like how soon are you going to wake up to the fact that you need to
put your body in the right environment so it can heal?
Mm-hmm.
Some of us, we wait way too long.
Yes.
And so there does become a point of no return.
However, miracles happen every day.
Yeah.
And there are people that have been told this, that, and the other thing, and they
heal themselves.
Yeah.
So we don't get to play God.
Right.
God has definitely made an incredible body.
Yeah.
We just
get in the way.
Yeah, we do.
We so get in the way.
Yeah.
And so I think that that's just
our problem. We have this addiction to being right.
We have this addiction-
Ooh. We do
... to being the one, to being the savior.
Maybe I'm addicted.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of course, we
get so excited to help people and save people and-
Yeah
... but really,
the way I look at it is,
one, I had to save myself. We can only save ourselves.
Mm-hmm.
And once we save ourselves,
we get to show up and provide space to remind people they get to save themselves,
too.
That's hope.
It really is, and it's beautiful.
It's like here's some hope.
Yes.
Because it's like people have given up hope.
Yeah. And what's interesting about hope
is I know that there's been some studies done on prognosis.
So if a doctor gives you a prognosis and you believe it,
you will live out that prognosis.
The ones that get the prognosis that are like, "Screw this.
That's not for me," they will usually outlive the
prognosis.
Oh, wow.
Or if they don't get a prognosis, then they have no idea.
So we know placebo works 30% of the time.
It's powerful. Yeah.
Let's let it work for us.
Yeah. Use that to your advantage.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah. So,
yeah, it's
definitely
an interesting time that we live in.
Yeah.
Because we're being told how to think.
We're being told what's accepted.
We're being told to look the other way when we ask questions and we think.
Just like
COVID thing, I don't want to open that can of worms, but like-
Yeah
...
I looked at that and thought, "That's weird to me." Like, "This
isn't what's happening."
Yeah.
And I was just questioning it. Whatever anyone else decided to do, that's
fine.
Mm-hmm.
But for me and my children, I was like, "We're just not going to
play." Like, "That is not going to be something we do."
Mm-hmm.
And then as a business owner, having a government
tell me when I live in America that I need to close my business, like-
That made it strange.
Okay, that's another red flag, right?
Yeah.
It's like the abusive boyfriend.
Yeah.
And there's all these red flags, and we're trying to look the other way.
And it's like then we look back and we're like, "Oh, damn." Like, "Why didn't you
see that?" I feel that for so many of us.
Yeah.
Like, why didn't we see? Are you serious?
Yeah.
Your government wants to, "Close your business. Don't go outside." Like really?
Outside was closed?
How am I going to pay my bills?
Yeah. The whole thing.
Yeah.
The whole thing. Stay six feet away. Wear one mask. Wear two masks.
I'm like-
I like the six feet was decided
... my gosh.
It was decided six feet.
Six feet.
Yeah.
Yeah. Oh my gosh. So, yeah. So if you want to talk about-
Moments
... science, come on.
I know. I know.
Where did six feet come from?
Hey, on a side note, the first word that makes you Michigan is flag.
Is it?
Yeah.
Oh.
I didn't catch any other Michigan.
Oh. I know it does get beaten out of me a little bit.
When I go back
home, it will come out a little bit more when I'm back here.
Yeah. Yeah.
But then when I'm home, they'll be like, "Yeah, you have that little California-"
Yeah. It's kind of fun.
My Florida comes out sometimes.
Yeah.
But I also feel kind of neutral.
Yeah. How long have you been here now?
About 10, 11 years.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's been a minute.
Yeah. I've been just over 20, so it's kind of-
Oh my gosh.
I know.
You look way too young for that.
Wow. Thank you.
I can't even imagine. You're 29.
Oh my gosh. Yeah.
So it's just shocking.
Hello. I was a baby when I showed up in Cali.
Before we wrap up, I just wanted to just throw out there as a quick,
I don't know, comment or question.
So bioregulators, I love them. I think they are just so
under-talked about.
Mm-hmm.
And so if you have a thyroid issue, take thyroid extract.
If you have-
Mm-hmm
... adrenal issues, take adrenal extract. Take the extracts.
Mm-hmm.
These things are directly from the organs. I believe in them.
They're powerful. They're healing. They're whole.
And I feel like that can restore the organ's dysfunction.
Yeah.
What are your thoughts?
I think yes. I think that there's a lot of power behind that, and it
kind of reminds me of homeopathy-
Mm-hmm
... where it's like heals like.
That's exactly it.
And it's-
Yes
... same thing.
But it has to be a sex dependent, right?
Mm-hmm.
Like a female-like cell is...
So you'd have to have, and you're a female, then you have to take the same sex
organ.
Yeah. Yeah.
And our supplements, to my knowledge, they don't identify that.
Mm-hmm.
So that's where it's a little complicated.
Correct. Yeah. I
haven't dove into that arena. I use a lot of plant stem
cells.
Okay.
So I use undifferentiated cells coming from plants that can
target the thyroid, and they target different areas of the body.
But the like healing like is really, that
goes back to homeopathy.
Ooh.
And there's a lot of-... healing that happens
with that. So I've had clients that have used those, and they get great
results.
Awesome.
And again, I think it goes back to you get to find what works for you.
Yeah.
And one of the layers that I would put on top of that, because I always go back to
the brain and the emotions and the body-
Mm-hmm
...
is someone with a thyroid issue,
often it can be that your thyroid is all about, this is your throat chakra, so
it's all about-
Oh, yeah
... you speaking your truth, feeling like you're being heard.
Yeah.
And if you've really silenced yourself or maybe
you've been in a relationship where someone is walking all over you and you're not
speaking up for yourself, or
you tend to just fly off the handlebars.
You're having a really hard time communicating.
Mm-hmm.
You either go from one extreme or the other.
People that have issues communicating usually have thyroid issues.
Interesting.
Mm-hmm.
Because they're just holding their energy restricted right here.
In their throat. Yes. And those are your vocal cords.
I believe that. Oh, my gosh.
Yeah. So any physical ailment that someone's having-
Mm-hmm
... you can tie it back to some type of emotional
blockage going on within the body.
Do I sound restricted?
You've got to yell in a microphone-- or not in a microphone, in a pillow.
Okay.
Letting yourself just literally be heard.
And so many women have this, right?
Yeah.
Be pretty but don't be heard. Be quiet.
Yeah.
Sit over there and, like-
Yeah
... oh, who are you to say something? I don't know.
There's a lot of generational stuff around women and-
Suppressing
... suppressing, you know? Be-
Emotion over years.
Yeah. Be successful, but not too successful.
Oh, yeah.
You know? And then-
That's a good one.
Yeah. And you can dive into a lot of dark stuff that have happened to us as women,
and we are silent.
Yeah.
And that manifests in the body, and usually it manifests in the throat, and it
manifests in the thyroid. We can get nodules, all these things happening.
So in your opinion, that can heal.
1,000%. I'll give you a-
Same
... quick-
Let's hear
... story.
Yes.
And this isn't even using any nutraceuticals or anything.
I was working with this woman
remotely, and she had been in a
marriage of abuse, like psychological abuse,
for decades. She kept getting nodule after nodule
on her thyroid, and she felt
paralyzed to tell her husband that she was leaving him and that
she was moving on. Like, paralyzed.
I think I worked with her for over a year and
a half-
Mm-hmm
... and I finally told her, "We keep having the same
conversation.
I can't keep working with you."
Wow.
"You show up and you want to do these things," and da, da, da.
Anyways,
she finally spoke up for herself,
and she finally was walking away and doing the thing that...
And it felt paralyzing to do it.
Totally, because then she probably still loved the person-
Uh-huh
... but hated the relationship and the actions that-
Mm-hmm. Yeah
... yeah, so it's conflicting.
Yeah. So a year later, she doesn't have any thyroid issues.
Pretty wild. So I don't know what science you use to back that other
than like-
Well, it's not-
It's just what it is.
Yes. I take it at face value, and I think that is adequate.
I love that.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much for sharing your time and your
energy-
Yeah
... and all of your information, expertise, and stories.
I absolutely enjoyed it. I would love to do this again.
Yeah, same. Thank you.
Yeah. All right, guys. Until next time.
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